Mom Talk – Part 5

Once he knew I was going to record myself reading these posts my husband was ON TOP of buying a cool mic that looks really profesh. Here I am about to record this very post. L’Chayim!

Question: What has not come naturally to you as a mother?

The hardest thing for me is letting my kids be kids. I have such high expectations of all of them. I don’t know if it’s because they were all super verbal very young and so I always assumed they could understand way more than they actually could? But it’s also things like— playing with their food, talking too loud, acting crazy, whining, saying Mommy a hundred times. There are dozens of completely normal, completely acceptable things they do every day that I don’t have patience for. But that’s really not fair— I recognize that. They are kids. Their job is to be kids and experience the world. If they can’t do science experiments with their food now, when can they? Wouldn’t I rather they call my name a hundred times per minute than someone else? Mentally, I understand this. But it doesn’t translate to life as much as I wish it would.

I’ll tell you something that really doesn’t come naturally to me and I think it’s strange because I think in my friendships and relationships I’m not this way at all. And I think it’s a big flaw and sometimes I think maybe my mothering licence will be taken away— I don’t know the word exactly. It’s the intersection of compassion and patience. The convergance of selflessness, understanding, tolerance, and maturity. It’s the moment where my kid gets that look on his face like he’s about to blow a gasket and grabs the barstool to throw it on the ground. It’s the moment where my kid refuses to try a bite of banana, the only fruit he’ll eat at all, because today he doesn’t like it but I’m afraid his insides are turning into a Cheez-it. It’s when my daughter struggles with something in her homework and whines or even genuinely cries because she just can’t quite get what she has to do. It’s my little one flat out refusing to stay in bed long after bedtime when I’m exhausted and the day has been interminable and all I want to do is sit on the couch with a glass of wine and some candy and refresh social media a thousand times. It’s all of these times. Why, in those moments, can’t I be the composed and affectionate mother I’ve seen and read about? That’s the mother I wanted to be. I’m not that mother. In those moments I’m sarcastic and obnoxious. The things I say are repellent. The attitude I have towards my sweet, innocent children is childish and immature but I can’t stop. I can’t be different.

Not totally surprisingly, things that came naturally to some moms did not come naturally to others: discipline, organization, playing, transitions, patience, selflessness, affection, balance. For some these qualities are instinctive; for some they are elusive. Some things just don’t come naturally to anyone: breastfeeding, sleep deprivation, knowing the right answer, knowing what to do in a given situation. Breastfeeding might be a biological imperative but most of the moms I know must have missed that TED Talk because— holy shit— it is not intuitive. Maybe newborn babies mircaulously know how to shimmy up to the right spot but about 65,000 other obstacles arise shortly thereafter.

No one seems to know what to do with their exhaustion either. Motherhood— not just early motherhood— is marked by constant sleep deprivation, constant alertness, constant stimulation and p.s. hormones like whoa. Forever. Every mom is completely and utterly debilitatingly drained.

Another universal? No one knows what to do in any given situation. No one knows the right answer. People who write books about the right answer are, as I think we all know, full of shit. That’s why there are 75 million different books about sleep training, introducing solids, bullying, raising sons, raising daugthers, raisings twins, raising siblings. All of it. I think maybe there aren’t any right answers. Something that works for one kid doesn’t work for another child in the same family! It’s a sustained state of uncertainty and when you’re in it it’s overwhelming. I was comforted to know that no one knows what they’re doing— that we’re all essentially winging it.

The answers:

1. Um. How to discipline. How to discipline in a way that is harsh yet from a— I don’t know. How to effectively discipline without instilling fear. Hold on let me Google it.

I almost want to say how to effectively discipline in a positive way where it’s firm but also shows empathy and respect.

I just thought of another one. The hardest part. Sometimes when I parent I sound like my parents and I’m trying not to turn into them.

2. The organization. Organization is not natural to me. I drop the ball constantly it feels like and yeah. But luckily I have a kid that just kind of bounces when Mommy drops the ball and forgets— it’s pajama day at school. I live with constant mom guilt. She’s very good about it. She rolls with it.

3. I think, you know, playing on their level is not something that comes naturally. There are some mothers who genuinely love playing with their kids. They love it. They want to be on the floor with them and they love playing with them and maybe it’s my age. I don’t know. But there’s certain things that I’m really good at. Like, they know I will sit with them for two hours and color and paint and do anything creative. I’ll build with them. But when it comes to, like, getting really, really messy— that doesn’t come naturally to me. And I have two boys. You want to do an art project? You want to build a robot? You come here and we will get that thing going. For hours I can do that stuff. But, you know, when they’re like, “you take the He-man—” not He-man they’re not 40. “You take—” you know, whatever— “you take this and you pretend and you say this—” I don’t enjoy it. I don’t want to sit on the floor. It hurts.

4. What did not come naturally to me was how every new transition— and when they’re babies you know how fast things change— every transition to me was an application of effort, especially with my first. It was an application of like, am I doing this right? Sleeping— getting my daughter to sleep— I did it better the second time around but my daughter had no chance. I had a baby monitor and she would go, “eh, eh, eh” and I would launch to make sure she was alright. She didn’t even have a chance; I had no idea. And then it came time to like, sleep train because I had done it all so badly, and that was, I’m sure, more traumatic for me. But she was wily and she would do things like stick her fingers down her throat to make herself puke and she’d pinch herself to stay awake. I did a little better with my son and then I didn’t use a baby monitor because I’m a light sleeper. He wasn’t three miles away and I kept the door open. If I could tell you the charts we kept for my daughter— it was bananas.

5. Everything. I don’t know if it’s coming naturally or not. I think for me it’s kind of hard to differentiate between situations that are, like, good for your kid versus the easy thing to do. So, for example, summer camp. It would be really easy to keep my daughter at her preschool all summer: she knows it, it’s familiar, it’s easy for me, it’s easy for her, there’s no transition; but is it good for her to probably try somewhere new? I don’t really know. She’s 3. Does she really need new experiences right now? She’s already doing drop off that’s great; she’s gonna be doing longer days. Does she need it? I don’t know. So I feel like that part doesn’t come naturally to me because I don’t really know what’s good for the kid. And I do feel like there are people who have degrees in early education that probably do. There is data that says one way or the other, hey, if you expose your kid to drop off things or new situations earlier in their life, then it’s gonna set them up as transitions keep happening. So— so anyway it’s stuff like that I really struggle with: what’s good for them, what’s not good for them. So she is doing another camp and the one at her preschool to give her another experience. And it’s the same thing with my son. I was only going to send him to the preschool when my daughter was going but is it good for him to probably have a couple more weeks of maybe going someplace without his sister? I don’t know. He’s only 2, but, like, maybe? So maybe I’ll just do it. So it’s stuff like that that I feel like I wrestle with so much and then I do it or don’t do it and then I feel good either way because the outcome is probably fine. And you look at it and you’re like, why did I stress about that so much? It’s an extra two weeks of camp for my son; it doesn’t matter either way! Just make a decision, you know? So I think it’s just stuff like that that I just am always torn on.

6. It still doesn’t. Patience. I have to work very hard to be patient and kids require it. That’s definitely something I work on. Just trying to put myself in their shoes. A little bit. Fighting against the I know what’s right for them because I do know what’s right for them but sometimes there’s room for compromise or a different point of view. And this is not just as a parent this is just in general, like, I think I know the way of the world and you’re going to have to work really hard to convince me otherwise. That’s what comes hard to me. When I’m dealing with children and I’m trying to mold their little lives sometimes I have to have their input too. I know that probably contradicts what I said before but it’s an ongoing rechecking of that balance. Because when they’re very little they don’t know anything but I have to learn that the scales are going to tip. At some point their opinion is going to be important. They are going to be formed, they are going to have personalities, they are going to have things that are important to them and then my will is going to be lower so that’s going to be very hard for me.

One thing. I used to go to this mom group. And I loved her. She was fantastic. I remember she always used to say, “you have the kids you have” something about, “your kids help you heal the parts of you that aren’t healed,” like, “your kids challenge you in ways that heal the things that you didn’t even know were broken” and it’s so true. I’ve always been self-centered. I’ve always had this mentality like me, me, me, me and now I have these two people that are like, “I need you to help me” and are like, “I’m different. I’m different from you and you’re going to have to work with that. And I’m different in a totally different way and you’re going to have to work with that.” It’s just that they’re pulling out of me some of the things that I didn’t know I could have. And I’ll tell you, you can probably tell I’m a huge perfectionist, like, perfectionism is my thing and I’ve always kind of been, like as a perfectionist, you probably know this, one of the downsides of being a perfectionist is you don’t like to ever demonstrate failure or weakness, right? And so that’s the way that I was. And so in my job, in my life I’ve always done really, really well: I’ve always been very smart, top of the class, always excelled but usually only based on my natural talents. Anytime I had to work hard to do something I would be scared that somebody would figure out that I didn’t know what I was doing so I would try to hide that. It was a lot of very weird stuff. Then when I became a mom I was like I can’t fuck this up. I can’t hide here. And that’s kind of what brought about this whole transition into having other people help me, thinking more fluid in terms of where I am now, where I want to be, where my kids are now where I want them to be. They really changed me completely and this thing that she said turned out to be correct. The only way I could have grown as a person in the place where I was when I had kids is by having kids. There was no other way. They’re still teaching me. I can tell. My older daughter is going to continue to challenge me and my younger daughter is going to continue to show me the love in the world. These kids are made to heal all the things that were wrong in me. I know that’s a very self-centered concept but it’s the way that I see it.

7. So I think, you know, when you read these books about parenting and discipline— that sometimes is a little bit harder because, you know, I already feel bad that I’m not around so that time that I have with them I want it to be precious and I want it to be fun and I want it to be filled with love and I know that I have to discipline them and obviously I do but I don’t want that entire time to be defined by this mother who goes to work and comes home to lay down the law. And that’s difficult because, you know, you don’t want them to run riot and so you’ve gotta discipline them but you want them to have this positive bond with the mother that’s not necessarily there the whole day. So that’s probably the challenge. And I think now, too, as my older daughter gets older, it’s funny because now I’m that person on the train who’s reading like, “How to Talk to Your Kids so They’ll Listen” and people are probably thinking: wow, she’s got issues at home because— for that exact reason— because I just want to choose my words so carefully and I want to make sure that the way I react is planned in some ways. The whole thing is very carefully— because I don’t want to come home in a screaming rage being like: why haven’t you done your homework? It’s bath time! It’s bedtime! And for awhile I found myself doing that. I’d get home and then I was overwhelmed because I’m like oh my gosh they’ve gotta do all these things before they get to bed they have to brush their teeth they have to do this and they have to read by themselves and they have to practice the piano and then actually that’s not really the quality time that I dreamed of and hoped for; that’s not how I imagined it to be. So I think that’s the bit that’s taking a bit more work is trying to be structured and firm but still keep that bond and keep that closeness.

8. As a mother. Let me think about that one. Well, like I said, I don’t want to be a Tiger Mom but I feel like I still can’t totally strip myself away from that because you’re influenced by your peers; everybody’s in private school yada yada yada. I think that my daughter’s private school is already a pretty laid-back school compare with some other ones but still you hear people, like, they’re having Kumon already, they have tutors, they have 10 activities going on; those definitely affect you. All of our kids are busy. My daugther is busy too. I just don’t know what is really the right thing. Should I just let her just play all the time? Or should I let her do something so she can figure out what’s her passion? I pick up on tennis again, since I don’t work anymore, and I really loved it because the little improvement you’re making make you excited, so I want her to feel the same thing. She’s not good at it; she’s left-hand so she’s not good at tennis, she’s not good at lacrosse but I hope she can enjoy the little improvement while doing this. So I try not to be, like, show me the result but try to let her enjoy the moment. So hopefully that’s the right thing to do. Again, I don’t know. Everybody is so busy so I schedule everything for her as well. I cannot, you know, not do it. And then also we’re Asian so we’re supposed to— you know stereotype: good at math! Good at reading! So should we at least keep up with everyone to be good at math? Because my friend’s kid— they’re doing multiplication, division already at this age. My kids are not. You know what I mean? It’s the sense of achievement for the mom. It’s not about the kids. Know when to stop. So many moms keep pushing them.

I want to be honest with you, I’m trying to avoid a lot of Chinese moms because they’re just too much about their kids. I like to hang out with my American moms because they have a life of their own. Especially, you know, everybody back at home they are maybe 10 times working hard than your kids and you’re like oh my God how can my daughter compete with them in the future? But then also in back of mind you’re saying: is that healthy? Do you want your kids to study? At this stage, literally, they’re already doing homework to 11PM every night at this age.

I don’t even check on her homework; I don’t know what she has for homework. Chinese homework I have to help her because literally the teacher is behind you and I got an evaluation form saying “Mother needs to improve on involvement.” Okay, thank you! We’re not coming back.

I think my daughter did pretty good; she did like 92 out of 100. I’m very happy with that. Maybe everybody else is 99 out of 100. I don’t care. She put her effort. She’s good.

9. Playing. Because I’m so spent doing everything else that it’s hard for me to just sit down and play. And that’s more reserved for my husband. So they’re getting it, they’re just not getting it from me always.

10. Ah, okay, yes. This is something we were just discussing last night. I don’t think I’m good at saying no to things. I’m not good at the very firm, not-a-good-idea, part of things. Some things with discipline I can— like when it comes to safety— like obviously don’t stick your hand in the oven or near the oven, things like that. I’m good about things like that. I’m good about saying, “no, you have to stay off limits from the stove, you don’t put your hand there, you don’t walk down the stairs with your blanket in front of you because you’re going to trip.” Things like that I can be clear about.

But when he pushes for certain things that he wants— if he wants a second of ice cream I will cave sometimes. And I am not good at saying no in those kinds of contexts. And my husband’s like we have to be, we’re the parents. And I’m like I know but it’s hard when you know you’re making a little person sad. I don’t like seeing him crying. I don’t like being the reason why he’s sad. So I struggle with that. And at the same time I know that he has to have some boundaries and some limits. I don’t know if I always express myself well when I’m giving him boundaries.

I try to explain to him why I tell him to do certain things. When we go for a playdate I say to him, “you have to play with the toys in the way that your friend wants you to play with them; you have to be respectful of your friend’s house.” I try to tell him those things but I’m pretty sure it’s in one ear and out the other. But I do try to get it in. But I don’t know that it’s fully heard. But I definitely think I struggle with the discipline part.

I’m also not a huge believer in the time-outs. I don’t know that they really work. I like his preschool teachers this year. They were really cool and one of the things I liked about them was that she would often say, you know, I don’t think time-outs work either and she would just talk to them and try to explain to them why something they were doing wasn’t a good idea. So that’s what I attempt to do. But I don’t think that my son would ever say that I’m a disciplinarian. You know he doesn’t see me that way. I think he definitely sees me as a little bit of a pushover. That’s something I struggle with. And I guess we have to get better at that as he gets older because it’s only going to be more push and pull as he gets older.

Sometimes our pediatrician will say to us, you know, you can’t reason with him you just have to make the rules. And she’s probably right about that. But I always find myself trying to explain and give a reason, because I always felt that when I was a kid, I always wanted to know the why of things; I thought that it was fair. So I kind of go into it with that approach. And maybe she’s right— maybe I’m giving too much explanation.

The times where we have done it where we just let him cry and we hold him and I let him cry it out he does return to a better state and then we are able to get through to him; but it is very tough to do. And it’s tough to experience that. So we’ve had limited success; we probably have to do more of that.

When he’s 18 I’ll probably figure out the best way to communicate with him that’s not going to, hopefully, upset him too much.

11. I have to let go of certain things like not over-worrying about a cough or, you know, if they’re not sleeping not like totally driving myself— you know— so I have to train myself like: it’s okay, these are little kids, it happens. All the kids grow up, everybody goes to school, nothing will happen when they’re in school. Otherwise I would be stressed out all the time.

12. Daughter: Breastfeeding was hard. I sort of had hoped it would feel very natural but instead there was like a parade of— just a blooper reel of— now he won’t do it, now it’s me, now there’s too much milk, now there’s not enough. Every time I went to the pediatrician I’d be like, “it’s still a problem and here’s the new one” so she was shocked I made it to almost five months. She was like, you know, “props.” So that was not natural.

I also had a C-section so from the beginning I was being really cautious about picking him up and so it did make me feel like everything that I did had to be strategized and cleared by a physician. I think that made that idea of sort of entering into this naturally hard for me because I was still recovering and I was being told like don’t pull your stitches and don’t do this. Yeah.

Mom: I think it wasn’t natural for me. I think the selflessness of giving up your life didn’t come naturally to me. I would say, “oh damn, I want to take a shower.” And that was difficult to get used to having another person sort of being the main focus of your life. I didn’t realize how much it was going to curtail on my schedule of life.

13. I am very conscious of not being hypercritical and micromanaging situations. But I think I run the risk of doing the opposite, which is sometimes not providing advice or guidance for scenarios that he would want help in. Finding that balance is not intuitive to me.

I also often forget how emotionally immature kids can be, most of the time he acts tough like a mini adult and then a benign trigger will expose his immaturity and I’m reminded of just how vulnerable he is.

Also, I’m not naturally physically affectionate with kids, it has taken me a lot of time to get comfortable with a child grabbing my hand or constantly wanting to be in physical contact.

14. I think it’s been tough trying to balance work, a full-time job, and having a family. I just feel like there’s not enough time in a day to do everything and, not to sound selfish, but I do think it’s so important that you take time for yourself too. For your own well-being. And I think just balancing all of those things is really difficult. The weekend is the time to go grocery shopping and laundry and all of those things and we still have activities on the weekend and I feel like sometimes it’s just a rat race and they’re so little right now and I know we’re only going to get busier and busier. So I think the balance is definitely the hardest part. I also find that, you know, I had a challenging class this year, and I think some days, because I spent so much of my patience at school, when I came home I felt like I was snappier. Not every day but— just definitely the balance.

15. Two things. One is sort of pedestrian and the other is more theoretical. So the crazy organization of their schedules. I’m a relatively type A person in business and working at a computer is where I belong. So you’d think that organizing a schedule for a little person would be just— To me if I didn’t have a nanny to coordinate where they should be and when I don’t know that they would be in as many activities. And I think that’s partially because I do work outside the home— well it’s actually inside the home— but aside from being a mother and that I’m absorbed already in the logistics of work/family time I’m like, oh this is nice. So on a Saturday, being somewhere at 8:30 I’m like that’s probably not going to happen. Or if it does, like, I’ll look like this. And as I have more children I think I’ll probably get better at it because it’s such a necessary thing to do to keep them occupied. But I would say more naturally what comes to me is, like, “it’s the weekend we don’t have any plans!” So that certainly— I have to self-manage for that.

The second thing is I think also related to being a working parent and I have not figured this out yet: I so value and want to be present for the joys of spending time with them and so I start my evening with them at 5:30 with them every day and that’s like my special time with them. It’s very frustrating though to not feel like I’m not the best professional version of myself or the best mothering version of myself by virtue of the fact that I’m trying to do both. I heard someone say recently that they don’t believe in balance they believe in boundaries. That kind of resonated with me because I don’t feel like it’s ever a balance; I feel like something is always out of balance. I’m either doing really well at this and not as well as I’d like to do at that or vice versa. And I think this does come naturally to me: I think to be generous with myself. I’m not a beat myself up type of person— like mom guilt or whatever— I try not to indulge in that because I feel like nobody is going to be the best at everything. I try to be as good as I can be at the several things I’m trying. And in terms of the boundaries— prioritize. Not say yes to things that take me away from the things that are my highest priorities. Say no. If I wrote a book it would be called, “Fuck, No.” I already have a plan for it.

16. What does not come naturally— in terms of motherhood? Being very laid back. I’m very— I’m not an anxious person but it’s not my style to be very whatever. Maybe because I’m a teacher I’m a little more structured; I’m a little more regimented with schedules and stuff like that and I sort of wish that I could be— I try. I work on being a little bit more loosey goosey with certain things but it’s just out of my comfort zone.

That’s a hard question. What doesn’t come naturally? We waited a long time to have kids; we were married for 8 years. I wasn’t old but I was older by society’s norms— all these norms that people have— I was a little older. I was considered high risk with my second. And I think I’m happy I waited because I wanted it more. It wasn’t like a total shock; I was ready for it.

I cut myself a little slack. I can’t beat myself up all the time. Because it’s easy to nowadays with social media and these expectations and these snapshots of these picture-perfect moments. Did you read— there was this article. This woman wrote how she was on vacation and she was watching this mom. She came to the pool, matching swimsuits with her daughter, all done up, hair was perfect, makeup. And she was by the pool for maybe an hour and the woman was saying how she watched them take pictures and pose, you know, for social media. But there was nothing, like, loving about it. It was staged. She didn’t play with her daughter, she didn’t engage with her daughter. Everything was just for the picture to be posted and the second she got her shot she wrapped up all the toys and everything and took the daughter back to, you know, wherever. And she wrote this whole, like: I don’t want to bash this mom because, you know, you don’t know why she did it. Maybe she gets paid to do it or maybe it’s her job or whatever but it’s like— she didn’t enjoy her kid. And you’re gonna miss that in 15 years when they want to go out and hang out with their friends. You don’t want to look back and say: I should have cuddled with them more. I should have spoken to them more. I should have listened to them sing, you know, whatever song 1500 times, you know? I don’t want to look back and say: I wish I cuddled with them more. You get caught up in the moment of life. But your life really is your family and your kids, right? That’s your legacy.

It’s hard. You were a person before you had kids. So how do you differentiate who you were and are and being a mom and being a wife and being a teacher and being a maid and a chef. Women are just the most amazing people because we literally can do it all and we do. We do it every damn day. It takes a village but sometimes I think that one woman is a village. Because we do everything. We are the village. But it’s just nice when you have those friends that you can call up and be like, “I’m going to fucking sell my kids and I’m going to put them outside and I’m going to sell them for 25 cents because they’re driving me crazy.” You need to be able to say it to one of your friends who’s not going to be like, “oh my God you don’t mean that!” You have to be like, “yes, bitch, I know. I’m there too” and it just makes you feel better. It’s a hard job. And it’s a lonely one sometimes too. Guys are just wired differently. They don’t get it. Not that they’re better or worse, they’re just different. It’s not a competition of who’s better at parenting, it’s just that they do it differently. Which I think is good— it’s a good balance. But the things that I worry about my husband’s like [shrugs]—And I’m like how are you alive? Because of your mom. Not because of your dad. Moms do it all.

17. It’s gotten better, but what did not come naturally to me was probably fitting him into my life. You know, you’re on maternity leave so everything you do is around your baby. But I remember going out with my friend for the first time and my son was probably like a month and we went into town. The stroller, like, went off the sidewalk, I’m trying to nurse him, and I left things— I was so flustered. I strapped him in the carseat—you know he was in the infant seat— so I put him right into my car but I never strapped him in. I got home— luckily I was just in town and it was a two minute ride, but I didn’t strap him in. Fitting him into my everyday life. Leaving the house with him. I didn’t go anywhere for months which I think led to me feeling out of sorts, whereas my younger son I had to. I had a toddler so I went right away. But with my first fitting in and doing things with him did not come naturally to me.

I had a much easier time with my second and knowing what to expect. I think, for me, the hardest part about being a mom in the very beginning was not knowing what to expect, not knowing when it’s going to end, not knowing if what I’m doing was right. I have this innate drive to make sure I’m doing things correctly and as best as I can. And I didn’t know if anything I was doing was great. With my second I was a little bit able to let that go. I was like: this all ends and none of this really matters right now whether he’s sleeping flat or in a this or in a that or in a swing. I remember thinking the unscheduled portion— the non-schedule was what was hard. And I just knew that my second would eventually get on a schedule so I was okay with it.

18. The hardest thing was sleep deprivation. Just getting through the periods of being up all night. Having days and nights turned around. And also just having to worry about the welfare of someone else all the time. Because I had my own anxieties to begin with but then once you have a baby it’s, you know, amplified, because you are not only worried about yourself but about this little helpless thing you’re responsible for.

19. That’s an interesting question. For me I felt like I was ready for motherhood. I lived my young years; I traveled. So I was mentally prepared for motherhood. I wanted it. I think I was probably unprepared for my husband’s lack of involvement. For instance when I came home with my son, my daughter was 2 and 9 months and my husband went back to work the day after I came home from the hospital. I’m like, I have a C-section, I have a soon-to-be-3 year old and a newborn sitting here and I can’t walk. You know? And I don’t think he understood the state that I was in? I was not healed. He needed to be home for a little while to help me out for a little bit? So I was unprepared for that lack of support. Or that he just didn’t understand what I needed in that moment. That I wasn’t able to function and care for two children yet.

20. Being patient. I am not a very patient person by nature, and kids have a way of testing patience and pushing buttons like no other! I have to make a conscious effort every single day to try to remain calm and patient with my kids, and while I can’t say that I never lose my cool, I can say that I am more patient now than I was before I became a mother.

21. I think the relationship part of it with my husband. That’s been work. We knew it would be work. Like I read all this stuff that was like quality of life for married couples goes down so much when you introduce a baby and then like especially if you introduce a second one within a certain— and so I was really worried about that? Our relationship has gotten stronger. It hasn’t suffered. But it’s effort to say things that aren’t just about the baby and to like let him have his space when the baby is crying and not be like, “I got it.” I have to think about it and not snap at each other when we’re tired kind of thing.

22. Feeding, diapering, bathing, everything really. Except holding her.

23. La paciencia.

24. I’m not as patient as I hoped I would be. I really have to remind myself not to yell. I thought I would not. I never really thought about it. I thought I wouldn’t yell or we could work it out. But I didn’t think that I would be that impatient but I am and I really have to work at it. For sure. Having children has pointed out that I am not patient and that I could stand to give people, not just my children but all people around me a lot more— I was talking to another mom about this and the word she used was grace which I thought was a really nice way to put it. And it’s true. And it’s something I work on really actively and it’s almost like a muscle memory thing; like if I practice being patient it comes more naturally: the more I am the more it works because it’s like a habit. If I can get myself into the habit of being more kind and gentle then it’s fine. But there was a time, especially when I was pregnant, when I was just yelling at my daughter. And I couldn’t— I was so frustrated— I couldn’t believe how mad I could get at this two year old. She was undoubtedly frustrating but, like, she’s a person; she’s two and there are definitely times when my husband and I will, like, tap each other out and be like I’ll take care of this. But even now with our son, because I have another person I’ll get less patient with him than I was with her. I’ll get frustrated more easy. It’s like stimulus overload: like the dogs are barking, my daughter is talking, he’s doing whatever he’s doing and it’s too much in my head and I lose it and then I’m like: sorry I needed a moment of not talking at me or whatever it is. It’s definitely a patience thing. That’s something that just doesn’t come that naturally to me that I really have to be active on.

25. I would say, for example, when my first was starting to be able to play by herself a little bit, but still needed someone else to stimulate her really, knowing what would be best for her in terms of play. I kind of blame that on, well, I wasn’t trained in education. I don’t have an education degree and I’m not a teacher. But just feeling like oh, you’re at the age now well maybe you’d want to paint or maybe you want to color. Like those things, yeah, I really did have to look, like, where developmentally— what should she be playing with that I’m not providing at this point. And it wasn’t until I went back to work and she started at daycare that I realized how much I didn’t know. Oh you should have been—not should have been necessarily but— I could have been exposing you to these things and I just didn’t— I don’t know how to play with a 7 month old. Really. That would also be educational at the same time. As opposed to me just making fart noises and letting you laugh. You know? It was that kind of stuff that I was like oh, you could probably play with this that or the other and I don’t have those toys yet. It was those kinds of things that I felt like I should have read more about and yeah. After her first week of daycare I felt like she was so different because she had been exposed to just, like, putting her hands on construction paper and things. I was like, I didn’t even think that that was like tactile things that you would need to experience. I’m sorry. She was only 4 months old, but I definitely saw a difference in her. And I was like, you were watching me do laundry is what you were doing for two hours yesterday instead of touching a fuzzy thing. So yeah, those things did not come naturally to me.

26. Discipline.

27. Relaxing. Being able to flow with it and to be calm. There. And that’s why my husband was so wonderful. I used to say he was the mother because he was calm; he was just calm. I know that when my son was a young kid as soon as I would hold his hand it would calm me down. His calm heartbeat would resonate with me. It would calm me down.

And those are just some of the things that do not come naturally to mothers. Can you relate?

Coming up: a real doozy: How has being a mother changed your relationship with your spouse? [insert wild laughter]

Mom Talk – Part 4

Need something to listen to while you wait up until midnight trying to get a Fresh Direct delivery time? I present to you – Mom Talk – Part 4:

Oh, you’d rather half-read while you half-keep-an-eye-on-the-kids? See below:

Question: What has come naturally to you as a mother?

One thing that really came naturally to me was loving my children and caring for them as infants. I am so into the newborn phase. They don’t scare me the way they do other people. I love to hold them, I love to be with them, I love to nurse them and sing to them. Yes, it’s exhausting. I mean, it is so horribly, brain-meltingly exhausting. But I honestly don’t care. I would have a dozen more.*

Another thing that came naturally to me and still does is treating my kids like people. I have always talked to them a lot: narrating the day when they were infants (“now look what I have I have a diaper isn’t this diaper so teeny and cute just like you you’re very teeny and cute and I’m going to put this diaper on your tiny little tush but we can’t forget the diaper cream here comes the diaper cream! I hope it works! This rash looks very bad oh yes it does very yucky. Okay! We did the cream and we did the diaper and now it’s time for your shorts! Look what you’re wearing today – whales!” etc) and cooing and all the baby-appropriate stuff when they were babies (“oooh look at you you’re so clever! You knew I had that toy behind my back you’re just the most smooshygooshyitsybitsymostadorablecleverestbabyintheworld!) Now that they are getting to the school phase I talk to them all the time about things and stuff. They ask questions and I try my best to give them answers. I try to keep things age-appropriate but I don’t assume they don’t understand things just because they’re little. Of course this is a blessing and a curse. On one hand, I treat them like people who have the capacity to understand but on the other hand I think I expect them to understand things far beyond their years.

What comes naturally to moms? Sometimes nothing. That’s normal. Many of us don’t live the same life as women from days of yore. We aren’t born into a village and grow up in a village; we make our own village when we grow up. For many moms, the first time they hold their baby after birth is the first time they’ve ever held an infant. So many of the logistical and daily tasks of motherhood don’t come naturally. And even if you did somehow instinctively know how to put a diaper on a wriggling baby— I guarantee the circumcision care does not feel natural. Determining the appropriateness of the color of poop? Not natural. For many moms it’s feelings that come naturally: unconditional love (true for me), nurturing (true for me), protecting (true for me), loyalty (true for me), silliness (true for me), forgiveness (not true for me) and patience (not true for me). For some moms it’s structure and boundaries (nope), problem-solving (meh), sacrificing (mmmm not really), being laid-back (ish), playing (no), shaping them (yes) and feeling that maternal instinct (yes. sort of.) As always, it isn’t black and white.

*Can we be backtrack for a moment? I would have a dozen more infants. The infant stage comes naturally to me. But, God willing, they grow. They get bigger and older and more opinionated and more insolent. I love these humans— I really do— but I don’t think I could handle a dozen more personalities, a dozen more attitudes, a dozen more food preferences, a dozen more camp tuitions, a dozen more 1/2/3/4/5 year sleep regressions, a dozen more people asking me for things all at the same time, a dozen more fighters in the ring, a dozen more stories at bedtime, a dozen more toddlers going through a Blippi phase… you get the picture.

1. Hmm… Maybe that unconditional feeling of love? What comes easy to me? Eating their leftover food. Eating their leftover mac and cheese and chicken nuggets. That’s it. That’s really what comes naturally. That’s fair, right?

2. Nurturing. Nurturing, being there, and being loyal. I had a weird upbringing and so to start out being a mom was never something that I had to do. It was something that if I did do, great and if not, I’d be fine. But if I was going to do it, I was going to do it to the best of my ability, and being there for her is my number one thing that I have to do and I do do it well.

3. I think structure. Giving my kids boundaries and structure is something that came very naturally to me. We have a lot of rules but knowing what battles to pick. If my older son wants to do armpit farts around the house that doesn’t bother me; that’s not a battle I’m going to pick. I think it’s fine but that bothers other people. I know that. It doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is whining and bad behavior and being so spoiled and asking me for things all the time. I think problem-solving and setting boundaries is something I’ve been pretty good at.

4. Babyhood did not come naturally to me and I envy those people who did. I feel like middle school/high school is less effort for me. Like having to read to my kids at night— super didn’t mind it— but my kids still make fun of me because I’d be reading the book and then I’d be reading silently because I’d be getting into the story and they’d be like: hello?! And I like having the conversations about what was interesting in class today and doing sort of roses and thorns at the end of the day.

5. I would say I was surprised in how well I have that instinct about my kids and know my kids because it’s something that can’t be learned or read or prepared for. So when you read all those things about like, “Oh your baby will have all these different cries and you’ll recognize the difference,” I’d read it and think: I would never be able to recognize the difference in a cry; why would I know how to do that? But it’s things like that that I think is the natural part of being a mom for me and I would guess for everyone. But I was surprised in myself that it was those kinds of things or just like, seeing how they’re standing and knowing that something’s wrong or that kind of stuff.

And you don’t believe it. For me I certainly didn’t believe until I was a mom that I would ever have that instinct because, I mean, I never really liked kids. I mean I like kids but before I had kids I never had an interest in like, playing with kids all the time. I mean it just wasn’t me. But yeah, my husband Googled when we first had our daughter— he literally probably spent an hour or two Googling the correct way to give a baby a bottle. Because, you know, he just wanted to make sure he was doing it right and have the process you know. So there’s things like that, like best ways to give the baby a bath. There’s things you can do for that kind of stuff.

6. Saying no. I was a teacher for a few years after college and that experience, even though it was only 4 years, it really taught me a lot about discipline. And I read a lot of books on child psychology and all this kind of stuff even before I even thought about becoming a parent. And I think one of the things that was very evident to me, because I was teaching kids in high school, is how lenient their parents were and what that did to their little personalities and what that did to their sense of entitlement as high schoolers. So it was really at that point where I was like yeah, I’m never gonna have a problem saying no to my kids or having those hard battles. It hurts sometimes when you break a kid’s heart and you know you did it but I always think about: this is good for you in the future. You’ll like me when you’re older.

It doesn’t extend to the things, where, you know, as a parent, I will never allow my kid to do x, y, z; it doesn’t go that far. I had this whole thing about iPads and that all went out the window the minute I was like I just wanna have a nice date with my husband. Here you go— here’s your device. But overall I think there is, right now, a big movement or trend or just notion that kids should decide things and kids should have say in a lot of things that are way beyond their years and in some cases that’s appropriate and in many cases it’s just not appropriate at all and I just— I have no problem putting my kids in their place. And also other people that think that they can let my kids say things or do things in their place. I remember how idyllic my childhood was and I think it’s because I was kind of oblivious to everything. I would just get up and play with my friends and I wasn’t trying to change the world as a six year old; I wasn’t trying to revolutionize anything. I was just doing my job as a kid and when things became appropriate to know about that’s when I figured it out. Probably later than some. But I just feel like it added to an innocence in my childhood.

7. I think sacrificing comes naturally— more naturally I think to me than it does to my husband. I’m probably quite— I’m an emotional person— so I think that I’m quite sensitive and probably also a little too lenient with the kids because I think forgiveness and patience and all those things come naturally to me. I think what is a little more challenging for me is that tough love and that sense of encouraging strength and courage and independence because— and part of it is mom guilt— because I’m at work so naturally my base case is I feel bad because I’m not with you between 9 and 5 so in evenings and on the weekends I’m constantly overcompensating, right? And if somebody says, “oh do you want to do this?” I’m like no I can’t do that on a Saturday – Saturday is my day with the kids. And that’s a very natural reaction for me but I think for my husband he’s like, “no but you’re still you and you can live your own life and you should do these things.” But I feel like I live with this permanent case of mom guilt and I must maximize every moment that I have at home which means that things like going for a haircut or going to the doctor’s office or going to the dentist’s office— I’m like of course I have to do that with the kids but mine can wait, you know, so whether that’s a good thing or bad I don’t know but that’s definitely something for me that’s very natural and obvious.

8. I think I’m pretty laid back. I think I see a lot of moms— helicopter— there’s a new word it’s more than helicopter. There’s another new word similar to helicopter. But I think I’m pretty impressed with myself that I can sometime, not all the time, just stay back; let them figure out, you know, when I hear them fight I’m like mmm I didn’t hear this; they can figure it out. When my son cries— just cry it out. I don’t care; it doesn’t bother me. I’m not like, “oh, baby, baby let me figure it out for you.” I like them to figure things out on their own. They can fail. They learn from their failure and I feel like I can do that, which I’m a little surprised by myself, because I know my mom is a Tiger Mom. Even though she won’t admit it I feel all the pressure around academic— it was more academic back then in China. I feel like I was so pressured throughout 12 years, right? 12 years of study? So I don’t want that on my kids. I hope I’m doing okay with that; I still have some Tiger Mom side I know sometimes for sure. So I keep telling myself: let them figure it out. I know I’m not a perfect mom and I don’t know how to be a perfect mom so we’ll just all learn it together. I keep going back to that: let’s grow together, figure it out together.

There are still moments my daughter gives me a hard time. I don’t even know what happened, it’s time to get ready for bed. All of a sudden she just started crying, won’t let me know what’s going on. But the next morning she’s fine.

9. Managing all of their lives, their day to day, their scheduling, their meals and their caretaking even though I’m not there. Making sure they’re well-rounded. That’s really very natural.

10. I love drawing with him. We’re kind of a big arts family and I’ve always gravitated to those things, and we do find that it’s a lot of fun with him because it’s like our art world just keeps on expanding, because his interests just keep on expanding within that world. And we find that, like, this morning we woke up and he’s like, “Mommy, I want to draw with you.” So we sit down and we get out the crayons and I said to him, “What do you want to draw?” and he’s like, “What do you want to draw?” and I said, “No, no, I want it to come from your imagination.” So he told me he wants a cake on a table with a picnic table with flowers and an airplane. So my husband draws the airplane because he invites my husband over to draw that. I draw the people on the table. He draws the table. And we all make art together. And that’s a typical morning, it really is. Especially on the weekend when we have a little bit more time. Then when he gets tired of drawing, sometimes my husband will pick up his guitar and, like this morning, he was playing a song for my son and then he was playing a song for me. My husband is not a professional musician but he loves to play guitar and we have a lot of instruments in our house, so he’ll sit down and he’ll play, you know, “Brown Eyed Girl” for me and he’ll play a song from Green Day for my son and my son loves it. So we try to just kind of be free form about it and spontaneous and the art part of it and also reading. We like to read books to him a lot. And that’s always fun because we let him choose what he wants. And he picks it. He decides. And it helps him go to sleep at night; I read to him every night without fail, and that’s how he goes to sleep.

We usually land at around 6 books but some nights he’s just not tired and he’s having trouble winding down and it can go as high as 9, 10, 12. And some nights he’s so physically exhausted that he crashes out when I’m on the 3rd book. So you know, it’s definitely a case by case basis.

11. Just being a protector, you know? I’m very, very protective about them, that’s just like, I don’t have to try, like being careful about them.

12. Daughter: I think being silly wasn’t too much of a stretch for me. That was in my wheel-house. Even that actually took a few weeks because his humor was not— first of all he wasn’t smiling yet and second I was like wow, this kid really likes it over the top. I’m more dry in my comic sensibilities— But that sort of quickly evolved into being, you know, goofy and insane and realizing that I can just pull that out and that comes easily. And then I pull it out everywhere in public— just sort of anywhere I am —like all over. What about you, Mom?

Mom: You know, I don’t think anything initially came naturally to me except protective. I knew that this was a person that I was going to protect. But I remember my husband brought her to me after and I thought: what am I supposed to feel? I thought it was going to be like fireworks like how they would say it was like a first kiss and you’re supposed to have fireworks and I thought that would happen. And that didn’t happen. But I did know oh, she’s important and she needs to be protected.​

13. I don’t know if this is exactly answering your question, but I feel like my parenting superpower is that I can literally completely tune out whining. Somehow it does not upset me at all when kids are whining about not having a good time. Although I consider myself a very empathetic person, in this particular category, I just one hundred percent feel it is not my job to make sure they’re having fun at all times. And in some ways I think this is empowering for them to realize that they can control their own happiness.

14. I mean, I think I tend to be on the more nurturing side, especially having been a teacher for 10 years now; I think that’s just part of my personality that’s innate. You know, I also think that from my own upbringing I think I’m pretty good at the balance between being firm and also being fun and, you know, loving and caring but not letting them get away with anything and everything, kind of.

15. I think being a caregiver has come naturally to me and I don’t know that I would have anticipated that. But sick children, for example. When my kids are sick, there’s nothing that comes more naturally to me than waiting on them hand and foot and trying to make them better; I don’t find that remotely— aside from being sad that they’re sick and sad for them— I love being in a role where I’m caring for a little human. And also the responsibility of shaping them. I love that. And the older they get and the more inquisitive and curious they get. I genuinely love the teaching: teaching the ways of the world. It’s a tremendous responsibility and I’m always very— if my older son asks me a question I’m like that’s an important question and my answer really matters. I’m very, sort of, careful. And that has come naturally to me. I’m not sure it’s come naturally to my husband.

16. Love. I want to just love my kids. I just want them to know no matter wherever they go in their lives no matter what they do that their mom loves them. And I whisper that in their ears every night, all the time, I’m like, “Mommy loves you” and my younger daughter just, she’ll suck her thumb and curl her hair she’ll nod like, mhm. They know. I just want them to feel it. Because I think sometimes— I teach middle school. It’s a rough age. They’re impressionable and I think sometimes when there’s that disconnect, like, you might stop— not loving your kids— but maybe the affection is there differently. Like, I cook for them and I take care of them and they have a house and clothes but I think it’s important to just feel the love. Not just to have things. I want them to just know. I kiss them and I hug them all the time. Because my parents weren’t very affectionate people. I think they loved me. They love me. But I think they just show it differently and I think that maybe I would have liked it a little bit more? More hugs or something as a kid. And I want my kids to always feel like they can hug me and kiss me. I just like to show them that love. I want them to always be able to come to me for anything. At all. They have to come to me.

17. I would say taking care of him felt like it came naturally. I knew what he needed. I’m very good at knowing what my role is and doing it so I felt like once I knew that that was my role— I don’t know at first. But I did love him so, so much so it did come naturally to just protect him and to always respond to whatever he needed. I had a very strong urge to always take care of him. If he cried or had a wet diaper or to make sure he was comfortable. That came very naturally to me.

18. Not much. For me, motherhood did not come naturally. I was the youngest child in my family so I had never been in a babysitting role much. I had always kind of been a caretaker in some sense like in relationships I was in. As a social worker I was helping other people so I guess I was kind of nurturing but there’s not a lot that was intuitive. I really wanted to breastfeed early on and it was a struggle. It ended up feeling great and natural but it was not intuitive to me. And also I discovered early on that my child was an extreme extrovert and I was an introvert so that took a lot of getting used to. She, even as a three month old, wanted to be out in the supermarket doing things and I wanted to be hiding at home. So—

19. I think that naturally I’m a giver and I want to see people happy so it came very natural to me to give them the best of me. It wasn’t hard for me to walk away from things to take care of them. It was very easy, like, I am at this age I want them. I’m ready to give them whatever they need without feeling like I’m missing out on other things. So I think all of me is what I was able to give them without feeling hesistant. But I’m older too. So if I had them 10 years before now it would be a different story.

20. Being a caretaker. I have a natural tendency to want to take care of people and do everything I can to make them feel loved and safe.

21. I think loving him? Which I know seems like an easy answer but I remember in my new moms group that I went to it was like all of our babies were born within a month of each other and I was like, “I didn’t expect that I would love him so fiercely.” And the facilitator was like, “If you’re in the room and you’re hearing that and that’s not your experience just don’t worry—” And yeah. I think that just came, has come, really naturally. And with that that sort of fierce love, too, like I will mess you up if you mess with my child.

22. I have to tell you, when my first was born I was shocked at how she could do absolutely nothing for herself. I mean I was absolutely shocked at how helpless she was because I had not had any experience with any other babies. I don’t know if anything really came naturally. Putting on a diaper did not come naturally. I had problems with nursing; I stopped right away. You know, holding her and kissing her— that came naturally, but not much else.

23. El amor.

24. I guess I’m good at— it is a lot of problem-solving— that’s how I feel the whole thing— not that every day there’s a problem, but it’s like okay— because you could have a routine but it’s not always the same routine and you just have to figure out how you can back into not just what you want but what works best. My best days, where I feel the best and I feel like I’m really doing a great job, are the days when I come home and I’m like: we did all these things and everyone was happy and it was fun. Or we did nothing and it was great and this started to happen but look at how we were able to fix it. I think that’s a lot of what comes naturally to me. I don’t like to sign them up for a million things. Because I’ve done that and I think I over-scheduled my daughter and I think she was a wreck and exhausted; and I like to schedule a lot of downtime but with that comes, like, not necessarily me entertaining them, but figuring out how to diffuse more things. Or like not just have the TV on. We usually watch 1-3 shows a day depending on the day and the weather. So I think what comes naturally to me is how to structure the day so that there’s a little bit of structure and everyone is happy but also has plenty of time so they’re not just rushing place to place. Because that’s when I feel like I’m always yelling like: let’s go! Do this! Or I have to ask her a thousand times. We talk about “getting her plays out” and then resting. And then making sure she eats, which is always a thing. So, like, a loose structure but with opportunities for her to make choices. I think the reason it’s all problem-solving is because that’s what happens to me in my brain, like, this is how we are going to do this. We’ll piece it together. I don’t know if other moms would say that as much.

In the beginning I read all the books— the ones that seemed to make sense to me— and she wasn’t sleeping through the night. What’s the one that’s so common? I don’t know, where it’s like: you eat, play, sleep is supposed to be the way it goes and she just wasn’t doing it. And the first 3 months were hard but it was, like, great. And then around 4 months— I was like alright we probably need to get a schedule because this is when everyone says they’ll start sleeping and this is when you’re supposed to start sleep training. And I re-read Bringing Up Bebe and we read the Tribeca Pediatrics book— I forget what that guy wrote— we read both those things, both my husband and I, and so in my head we were going to have this schedule that all these are other people have and it just like wasn’t happening and I was feeling like I was failing. And then, I’ll never forget, it was right around 4 months and I was exhausted because that’s definitely the mark where you’re like: I’ve totally lost my mind and I said to my mom, “I’m drowning and you’re not helping me; I’m trying to make a schedule.” And my mom is not a scheduled person ever and it mostly works for her. She doesn’t care so it works for her. Outside of, like, she’s always late for things but, like, whatever. So she got it but didn’t understand. I’d be like, “she needs to go down for a nap.” And like an hour later she’d be like, “well she was playing!” And I remember thinking: this is terrible. I’m not doing it right. I’m so tired. She should be sleeping and other babies are doing this and blah blah blah and, like, when I just listened to her and we had our own schedule and I fed her when she wanted to eat and whatever everyone was happy. So why don’t I just take this as advice but do what we were doing and somehow meld them and that was a real defining motherhood moment for me: when I was realizing I can’t read all the books and take them as gospel because that was going to destroy me and also when I realized you could either be a super structured mom and control everything or I could just learn to roll with the punches and just— oh, that’s what we’re playing today and that’s not going to work and it’s okay. Because when I do the structure I was destroyed. And I really felt that I was failing. But when I felt like, well we’re not gonna get to that place today; guess we’re ordering dinner or guess we’re not gonna do whatever it was— maybe tomorrow. That was like— I became a much better, happier mom. But again it backs into ability to roll with it but also restructure constantly: so we didn’t leave at 3:30; we’re leaving at 7. My only thing when she was a baby, because we lived in an apartment, we needed to get outside every single day. And it wasn’t that hard because we had to walk the dogs. That was the only thing that I was like that has to happen. Everything else we can just figure out. But she can’t and I can’t just be in an apartment just all day. No matter what. But that, I think, that’s when I became a more laid-back person and made motherhood more fun for me. And I thought— oh I thought I was pretty structured and type A but I’m really— I like things neat but I don’t need to be strict on everything.

25. I was surprised— I wasn’t surprised at how much I love my girls or how much I wanted to care for them— I was surprised at how I felt, like, intuitive, you know, when they’re this age and they can’t speak; I felt like I knew what was wrong with them or what they needed to feel better. Because sometimes you read that it is natural— motherhood and being nurturing and everything but I was surprised at how quickly I picked up on: this is gas, this is this, this is that and what they needed to feel better. Like a magic trick. Certain things did come naturally to me in caring for them. Certain things that I have to explain to my husband. I don’t know. If one of the kids is crying— how can I just read their minds and know that— I’ll say to my husband just go pick her up and he’s like, what do I do? I was surprised at how at ease I am with those things.

26. Showing affection.

27. I don’t want to say worrying, right? Loving I guess. And the beauty of having these people to shower love on. In addition I’m gonna tell you something. In addition to loving a husband it’s a different kind of love. It’s very special.

So there you have it: 27 answers to the same question.

Coming up (perhaps not surprisingly) — What does not come naturally to you as a mother?